[rainbow_tears]

Guys, phen isn't actually a amphetamine.

It is inevitable in any gathering of people that as many as 1 in 4 of them will be experiencing some form of mental health, emotional health, physical health etc difference and possibly be on medication for this.

I know in my close circle of friends that it is just a standard joke that non of us are med free for whatever reason.

as I am on meds, Chunk is Epileptic, Rich has MD, Marc has chronic asthma, Sian is Diabetic, Shifty has severe excema, Dave has chronic migranes and cluster headaches, Jayson has epilepsy and so on.

Not oversure what the point of this reply to you guys is, other than don't prejudge someone because they are on meds.

Every single person on this earth is unique, and should be treat as such.

[goodmockingbird]

Any substance in the world can be abused -- people can actually die from drinking too much water.

Nowadays most people believe for some reason that the answer to everything is to see a doctor and get a pill instead of take responsibility for their own health.

I would not have any problem say if a person twice my body weight undertook on her own to double her dosage -- but I really feel that no one should post anything encouraging others to do it, even by saying "See I did it and nothing bad happened."

Using phentermine for the side effects of a "hyper" state instead of it prescribed purpose is technically "drug abuse", and postings which describe that are very irresponsible.

I for one avoid doctors and take responsibility to educate myself and assume primary responsibility my own self to take care of my body. I have no issues with using the internet to aquire safe, legal medication.

But when we do so we absolutely MUST hold ourselves to a very high standard of ethics when it comes to encouraging others to misuse or abuse medications.

[rebeleagle1965]

I agree that is it is at all possible, any medication should be taken under a dr's supervision, and I actually made this point to my own doctor. That would be the ideal circumstance.
Weight loss meds are not technically "necessary". People can and do lose weight without them. Is blood pressure medication necessary? People can and do lower their blood pressure throught diet and exercise alone. Pain medication? It's all relative.
I tried to see two different doctors about getting phen. My choices are limited to doctors at one clinic because of where I live. I am an adult of sound mind who has taken this medication before (years ago, also to lose pregnancy weight). There was no reason for them not to prescribe it to me other than the fact that they don't prescribe it for ANYONE. I do not take any other medication. I am otherwise healthy. I don't drink more than once in a blue moon. I had already tried to lose the weight the "right" way unsuccessfully, and that much extra weight puts me at risk for a myriad of other serious problems. And at 215 and 5 ft 2- I certainly met the standard criteria for treatment. They have decided to ignore the potential positives of an entire class of drugs because they see it as an issue of vanity or laziness instead of approaching it like any other health problem. And it's not just a medication issue. Too many doctors are not proactive about treating obesity at all, even without medication.
I also wanted to adress the "phen is speed" issue here. At the risk of being verbally assaulted and reprimanded for this, I'm going to tell you all something I don't speak of often.
Phen is most certainly NOT like speed. How do I know? A long time ago, before I started having kids, I did ALOT of drugs. Including cocaine and methamphetamine. And I can tell you from personal experience that phentermine is NOTHING like either one. Anyone who tells you that phen is like cocaine has never done one or the other, because they do not even begin to compare. I will admit that the same TYPE of feeling, increased energy, can be associated as an effect of both, but that's like comparing tylenol to oxycontin. Increased energy levels are a side effect of many meds, not just those for weight loss, and certainly not just phen.
And I don't know anyone who is addicted to phen. They may like to take it, or feel that if they stop they may gain weight back. Addiction is something that goes way beyond that. It is possible that any controlled substance can be addicting, so I'm not saying there aren't people out there who are. Not to take away at all from the serious nature of any addiction-but everyone who takes it, or even takes it when it's not necessary, is not an addict.

[rainbow_tears]

Very valid reply. Any substance can be abused, I knew of someone years ago who was adicted to the scent of lemon cleaning products, and ended up in hospital due to the solvents within them.

Some people get adicted to things such as video games, others to drugs, some even to money, water, cafiene, chocolate, we all ahve our 'drug of choice' so to speak, it is when that has dangerous and far reaching implications with your health that you need to sit up and pay attention. There has to be a reason why adicition councellors are never short of clients.

Above all be safe! Take phen as directed, as yes we all want to be THIN! But to die thin and at your funeral have those who care the most for you in life be told 'xyz about this person but his or her casket was light to lift'

as I say a lot to my close friends here, GET A GRIP! If phen adiction is becoming a issue, please PM me, I am not a ogar, and I like to think I am aproachable, please come and talk to me!

You are all incredible people and I would hate for anything to happen to any of you.


Lea
xxx

[reesedebi3]

rainbow-tears, hey there just wanted to let you know it is really hard to read your post in that color.

[rebeleagle1965]

It is kinda hard to read Lea-
but I must confess that I DO have a chocolate addiction. Seriously-no joke. If I could get away with it, that would be all I ever needed to eat for the rest of my life to die happy. I honestly have to plan for and ration myself chocolate a couple of times a week, and make amends to the rest of my diet to make up for it. It's horrible.
And it doesn't help that my husband could not give a crap about what diet or healthy eating I'm trying to do and he insists on keeping the kitchen cabinets full of boxes of little debbies and bags of candy. He's the type that can eat whatever and never gain an ounce. Makes me sick.

[thewomanwithin67]

I know that my pcp's office uses Phen in increments, along with B-12; B 6 cant remember which ones (?) shots diet and exercise.

They start out with your weight and bmi, the more you weigh the LESS carbs/calories/fat you start off with and less exercise and work up to 30 min - 5 times a week.

If you're above a certain bmi (I think it was 40, it's been since Aug since I read the brochure) they start you off with 37.5 and will up your dosage to 37.5 plus 1/2 of the 37.5 when you lose no weight for 3 consecutive weeks and have done what you are supposed to do.

When you stop losing weight or plateau, they tell you to up your water intake and exercise by 15 min each time you exercise (requires 3 times or more a week).

I still don't have a clear answer of why an across the board dosage of phen is used for the majority of patients. To my knowledge; and I'm not a doctor I just play one at home :P; most medications are based on weight and age of the patient, so why isn't Phen?

After I had surgery 2 years ago, I know my Vicodan dosage was alot more than the dosage I had 6 or 7 years ago when I weighed alot less. Personally I wouldn't take extra Phen for a burst of energy, but I would as an addition to extra exercise and water when my weight plateaus.

I really hope if I get to that point, that I would be able to share that. I've upped my exercise and going to start with 5-htp to see if that helps, but if not then I may try some different combos with 1/2 pill also.

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