[Ian]

Originally Posted by utahmommy

That we have opened up to one another and to you guys? So, we are different than the rest of you? 'Us' people need to stick together? Are you kidding me?

Quit trying to hard. Some of YOU people will never go through ANYTHING as hard as some of US. Your overly bubblegum attitude that I'm sure is quite the lie is overwhelming to the rest of US REAL people.

Your the moderator of a forum. There is no need for you to try to give everyone e-hugs. You just p i s s some of US off.

And as for the advice for the OP to NOT take the phen. You don't know, your not a DR (I'm assuming) it is illegal for you to give medical advice. You need to figure out a different way to have a power trip... that way is going to get you in trouble.

I am apalled at your treatment of Susan here. I know she will just turn the other cheek so I'm glad to see other members defending her. Susan doesn't have a power trip. She dedicates a lot of her spare time to posting here and helping people feel like someone's on their team. And it's not just BS.. Susan really does care and she wants to see everyone here lose the weight in the healthiest ways possible.

I don't care that you're a former meth addict. I don't care if you use Phentermine now... I mean this site is about phentermine and other diet pills too... So there's no you and us to speak of... No sides here.. Just different people sharing opinions and life stories.

But I DO care that you think it's fine to be extremely negative to other members who haven't done anything wrong, not even passive aggressive.

I don't want my friends here exposed to such negativity as it brings them down. Feel free to take your hate somewhere else. See ya.

[67lemanster]

Originally Posted by utahmommy

Good for you.

I guess I should thank you, the attorney for making sure my rights of free speech are still going strong!!

You should pat yourself on the back also.

someone had a whole glass of Hateraid

[fertilemyrtle]

Rock on Ian!

[phenewbie]

I'd like to put in some input. Put in some input? Talk about redundant :P Talking about addiction, it's very simple. If you take it as prescribed, you won't become addicted. Tolerant? Of course. We all do. Then get the doctor to prescribe a larger dose. Don't take it upon yourself to up your own dose, because it'll start at one, then one and a half, then two then three and then you have a problem. If you become tolerant to the highest dose available, that's OK too. Ask for a different drug. That's where I'm at right now. I've been on Phentermine for about five months and have lost 56 pounds, and now the instant release 37.5 mg. pills aren't cutting it anymore and I'm going to ask for Didrex or Bontril. Whichever he'll give me and whichever is cheaper :P

Having done meth and other amphetamines, I can see similarities. Everyone is different, and I was never an addict, but to me comparing Phentermine to meth is giving Phentermine too much credit :P A 30 mg (but who stops at 30 mg recreationally? lol. Try 100 to 200....) dose of Meth is much different than a 30 mg dose of Phentermine. I do get a mild buzz from Phentermine, but oddly enough only if I drink coffee with it at the same time. If I take it by it's self, I don't get anything out of it. In the beginning, I did get a nice buzz for the first few days, and if I said I didn't tweak a little I'd be lying. I never figured that out (why now I only get a mild buzz if i drink coffee with it). I can imagine if I took instant release pills at once, I'd get high... but not nearly as high as an equivalent dose of amphetamines. I don't plan on finding it out. One pill makes me very irritable... taking four would make me kill someone

The bottom line is, can you trust yourself? Can you trust yourself to only take as much as you are supposed to, in the way you're supposed to? If you can not, or just don't want to risk it, but want to take it (it really, really works), ask a trusted family member or friend to dispense it to you. Ask them to give you one pill ever day, and to keep the rest away from you. From what you say, it sounds like you're doing fine controlling yourself. As for the cottonmouth, I get that if I don't drink enough water. I drink about 10 or 12 16 ounce glasses of water per day, and I never get it. If I drink less than that, I do. I also pee like a race horse :P Be sure to take your vitamins!

I view it as this. There is no reason for a recovered heroin addict to go through the pain of having a broken leg. If he needs painkillers, he should take them or have someone that is trusted dispense them to him. Same here. If you are overweight, take your pills. It's a legit medical problem. There is no reason to suffer if you don't have to. Congratulations on your weight loss. You and I have the same amount of weight to lose, almost. I'm happy that you lost ten pounds!

One other note. If you have trouble sleeping, ask for Hydroxyzine or some other uncontrolled sleeping pill if OTC sleeping pills don't cut it for you. The commercials say that Ambien and Lunesta, etc. are non-narcotic. By strict definition, they are non-narcotic. By strict definition, meth is non-narcotic, too (it is not a painkiller). They can still lead to dependence and are abusable recreationaly (people take them, then try to stay awake and hallucinate). They are meant to be taken for a couple of weeks max, with Phentermine you'll be on it for months so taking nonbenzo's is not practical.

Now, as for the comments about Susan, I think that's very sad. The person who said that obviously has some insecurities that need to be dealt with. Your overly defensive (offensive) attitude suggests that, at least subconsciously, you believe you really are separate from everyone else. Your own actions in this thread have already alienated you, so by your own doing you have ironically set yourself apart from the crowd making it a "us" against "them" argument. Through your own paranoia, you fulfilled your own prophesy. Phentermine makes us all a little (a lot in some cases :P ) irritable, but that was still uncalled for.

[rowan]

Thanks for the reply, phenewbie. Yeah, I've grown a little tolerant of the phen, but I've lost 16 pounds now. I am still only taking the recommended dosage, and some days am only taking half. The effects are more mild now. You know, ten years ago I probably wouldn't have compared it with street meth, but since I haven't done drugs in the last decade, I think my body had become very sensitive to anything I put in it and amplified the effects.

As for sleeping - Yeah, I'd like to take some Ambien & actually have a prescription for Rozerum, but with the cost of the phen I can't afford another $40 a month on sleeping pills, so I've been taking Tylenol PM and OTC pills. Sometimes I find I only need a half a pill though to get to sleep, sometimes more. I get upset if I have to take more - it's like, a pill in the morning & I'm up and a pill to go to sleep. I don't like having to control my body with pills to make it do something that should come naturally. I don't like having to take a pill to not be hungry and stop overeating. Oh well though, I know I'm not alone.

As for Utahmommy's remarks - I think Susan is just being nice & trying to help. Sometimes I'd like to cyber-slap people too when they say things I don't like or feel like they speak without understanding me. As with any forum, I think everyone has the right to speak their mind of what they think - I just try to be a little more polite, myself.

[carobrannan]

Originally Posted by rowan

Thanks for the reply, phenewbie. Yeah, I've grown a little tolerant of the phen, but I've lost 16 pounds now. I am still only taking the recommended dosage, and some days am only taking half. The effects are more mild now. You know, ten years ago I probably wouldn't have compared it with street meth, but since I haven't done drugs in the last decade, I think my body had become very sensitive to anything I put in it and amplified the effects.

As for sleeping - Yeah, I'd like to take some Ambien & actually have a prescription for Rozerum, but with the cost of the phen I can't afford another $40 a month on sleeping pills, so I've been taking Tylenol PM and OTC pills. Sometimes I find I only need a half a pill though to get to sleep, sometimes more. I get upset if I have to take more - it's like, a pill in the morning & I'm up and a pill to go to sleep. I don't like having to control my body with pills to make it do something that should come naturally. I don't like having to take a pill to not be hungry and stop overeating. Oh well though, I know I'm not alone.

As for Utahmommy's remarks - I think Susan is just being nice & trying to help. Sometimes I'd like to cyber-slap people too when they say things I don't like or feel like they speak without understanding me. As with any forum, I think everyone has the right to speak their mind of what they think - I just try to be a little more polite, myself.

Congrats on the 16 pounds!!!!!!!!!!
You might talk to your doctor about Trazadone. I take 1/2 a night and its cheap. I don't even need my insurance to pay for it because its like $5 for 30, and I just take a 1/2 - just have him write the scrip for the whole pill once a night (that's if you are using insurance). It's really an anti-psychotic (LOLOLOLOL - it was made for people with multiples, I think) but its used more commonly for sleeping.

[phenewbie]

Well, the way I see it, it's not about taking a pill to stop overeating. It's to facilitate a diet (and for me, it's an extreme diet.. 1000 calories a day and I burn all that off. I'm starving myself for all intents and purposes (but my doctor knows and is fine with it!) ). It's to allow you to diet without hunger getting the best of you. I'm going to have to learn how to eat all over again (you know what I mean) once I quit the pills.

I think having a break from eating (not hardly ever being hungry, not craving anything...) is a good way to get out of your old habits, too. For some of us, it's like a food addiction. Kind of like a nicotine addiction, I think of it as taking a pill (like Chantix or Zyban) that will make you not crave nicotine. After it's all out of your system, you can stop taking the pills and more than likely you still won't crave nicotine. Of course with THOSE pills you can keep taking them as long as you want (I know I am! I'm afraid to chance wanting cigs again!), whilst Phentermine and other diet pills stop working when you build a tolerance, and the addiction some people have is really psychological. You can be addicted to ANYTHING. Drugs, gambling, shopping, sex, porn, exercise (if only.... lol), etc. It's not like you go from binging every night to eating properly the next day.... It's like a nice break so that you can prepare yourself. As far as taking pills, hey, there's nothing wrong with taking pills if it's for a good reason.

[ilovemymedic]

Rowan,


I'm a health-care provider and am also on Phen. I STRONGLY advise you to stop taking this medication immediately. This drug will be very similar to the other drugs you have taken before and is addicting within itself. That is not what has me concerned. I am concerned because as with nicotine users, once you quit and then have a cigarette some time down the road, your cravings can all return and you can desire to go down the same path. The longer you take it the stronger these urges and cravings can become.
On a positive note, I applaud you for kicking your drug addiction. It takes a VERY strong person to do so.

Good luck!


Dana