[Ian]

Some of you love to do research and have looked up the ingredients of Phentramin-D. Some found that one of the ingredients can also be used as a decongestant, and have questioned the validity of the medication. You might be interested to read the information below about Phentramin-D and other medications that you could find similar info on...

This is the answer I got from Lazarus Labs regarding the Phentramin-D formula:

True, 1,3 - Dimethyl-pentylamine can be used as a nasal decongestant, as one of its actions is bronchiole dilation. Likewise, ephedra is also a decongestant but has proven valuable in weight control, especially when potentiated with caffeine and a form of aspirin (not that we recommend it as its currently not in favor with the FDA). Along the same lines many drugs are later discovered to have other medical uses. Wellbutrin was originally prescribed for depression, then became Zyban for smoking cessation and is now being studied for weigh loss purposes. In a similar vein, sildenafil, aka Viagra, was the result of research on hypertension and angina, but was found to be effective in ED. However, a the primary pathway of action of 1,3 d involves causing an increase in cAMP the chemical messenger that triggers fat release and provides potent appetite suppression and thermogenic action.

1,3,7 trimethylxanthine is caffeine but the 1,3,7 t reference differentiates it from guarana and some other caffeine derivatives. In other words, 1,3,7 T is pure caffeine – and as such is used in a very small amount mainly to prolong the action of 1,3, d.

Hope the above helps. Let me know if you need anything more.

Does anyone have more questions they would like to ask about this product, so I can forward them to Lazarus Labs for answers?

[susanpesek]

Ian, that was a SUPER answer and 100% spot-on. Though it is not recommended, I found out yesterday about the aspirin.

I can't wait to try the Phentramin-D myself.

My own opinion is that some folks may judge it after one dose which is NOT sufficient for everyone. I took Phentramin for 4 days before I was able to feel its appetite reducing effects. I plan to try Phentramin D as soon as I am financially able!

[krisd32]

Okay Susan and Ian, I am missing something. What about the aspirin?

[3boysplus1girl]

It's definately NOT a decongestant. I have serious congestion problems & I can tell you phen-d is not helping with my congestion lol!

[susanpesek]

Though I hesitate to post it, this info is given with caution:
There have been studies done that show an aspirin, taken in addition to caffeine can possible intensify the effects of what it's added to.

[diringic]

I am anew member, but long time diet pill user. Lately been doing a lot of research on diet pills, and trying a few of them and nothing seems to be working for me. I have a been a long time Phetermine user, with HUGE success, but have taking it off and on for about 2 years, it is no longer effective. I am desperately searching for something that has that effect.
I am leaning towards Phentramin if it will work for me. It sounds like from the info from the lab, it has many of the same effects that herbal diet pills such as Metabolife and Herbal Phen Fen had before the Ephedra ban. the names Caffeine, Ephedra and Aspirin, were in herbal term White Willow bark, Ma Huang and Kola Nut or Green tea or Guarana, but essentially were those three items that work in conjunction with each other. That Phen-D may have these properties are probably a good thing in terms of effectiveness. The problem I have found with the current diet pill selection is heavy caffeine which makes me feel like I am jumping out of my skin, and not in a good way. I didn't really mind the initial "speed like" feeling of Phentermine, but I don't like the jittery and anxious feeling on these other diet pills. Will I get this with Phen-D??

[susanpesek]

Though I haven't tried it, I hear some have very good suppression with Phentramin-D.

I cannot for the life of me remember who told me this, but over a year ago a friend (apparently closer to an acquaintance if I cannot even remember their name!) had good success with a yellow-mustard colored, fat, 6 or 8 sided pill that started with dex..or ded....um....er...
Surely there can't be but one!! Who knows the name? And is it safe??

[diringic]

What is the difference b/w Phentramin and Phentramin-d? I have seen Phentramin on e-bay or Amazon at a lower price but does not seem to be the same thing. Is it completely different?